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Offline Mage66

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For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« on: July 05, 2008, 09:07:20 am »
Jonathan asked me for a set of these at the "Enemy Starfleet" shoot.

This is a link to get a set of the Michael McMaster Bridge Blueprints which also include Michaels idea of Button by Button instructions for all the stations.

While not canon, these could be useful for actors portraying bridge crew to have their operations of their stations be more consistent from show to show.

This should also be useful to Jeff Mailhotte for button placement when setting up bridge stations.

Enjoy!

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/index-bp.html

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2008, 09:51:14 am »
We use the original blueprints and screen grabs to set the bridge up exactly as it was in 1967.

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2008, 10:10:07 am »
Thank You ..
I am sure they will be greatly apreciated by those
who deal with this type information...
You can never have too much info...




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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2008, 02:09:39 pm »
Thanks, Mage!  I use that site all the time. I love it. I've seen many of the printed materials at conventions in the past and thought I'd never see /em again. This site is a great resource.

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2008, 11:57:48 pm »
We use the original blueprints and screen grabs to set the bridge up exactly as it was in 1967.

Don't be mad at me Patty, but no.. The bridge ISN'T set up "exactly as it was in 1967". Cause I helped Jeff set up the Science Station for the last shoot and it's not the same as the show. It's missing a row of buttons next to the hooded viewer, two sets of rocker switches below the library computer terminal, and another set below the panel on the right side.

You can see some of them in this picture. Compare it to the bridge the next time you are on-set.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/4/43/Spock_at_science_station.jpg

Most people won't notice, and probably haven't. And it certainly doesn't detract from the quality of the show.

James can fix it any time, but since he's upgrading the sets soon... It's probably a moot point.

I got some bad looks when I mentioned it. And, so I backed off. It's not that important.

What's important are the stories, and the people portraying the characters, and those are great!

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 01:22:30 pm »
We use the original blueprints and screen grabs to set the bridge up exactly as it was in 1967.

Don't be mad at me Patty, but no.. The bridge ISN'T set up "exactly as it was in 1967". Cause I helped Jeff set up the Science Station for the last shoot and it's not the same as the show. It's missing a row of buttons next to the hooded viewer, two sets of rocker switches below the library computer terminal, and another set below the panel on the right side.

You can see some of them in this picture. Compare it to the bridge the next time you are on-set.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/4/43/Spock_at_science_station.jpg

Most people won't notice, and probably haven't. And it certainly doesn't detract from the quality of the show.

James can fix it any time, but since he's upgrading the sets soon... It's probably a moot point.

I got some bad looks when I mentioned it. And, so I backed off. It's not that important.

What's important are the stories, and the people portraying the characters, and those are great!

Al
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Well, I think Patty meant 1969 (3rd season). Regardless, Spock's station did change quite a bit during the series...

As a for instance, here is a grab from "Charlie X" where you can see a totally different button layout (look at all the neat buttons between Spock and McCoy that dont exist in the screengrab you posted).

Also note that the rocker switch panels were changed to 1 row, and moved right to accomodate even more blinky buttons between them and the "Spock-Viewer"

But, as you said, the story is more important than what episode was used for the button layouts...

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 05:36:23 pm »
The Sciences/Library Computer station actually remained fairly consistent throughout all three seasons of regular production episodes and hardly changed at all.

Regarding the little rows of rocker switches, from the first regular production episode (“Corbomite Maneuver”) to the last one (“Turnabout Intruder”) the Sciences/Library Computer station has always had three rows of rocker switches.  There are two rows, one above the other, just below the large “speaker” (which later also becomes the self-destruct display).  These two rows of rocker switches are below the users left hand, just to the left of the station’s centerline.  There is also a third row of rocker switches just to the right of the station’s centerline. Here’s a shot from “Charlie X” where you can see all three rows—the two rows off to the left, one above the other and the third row off to the right, under Mister Spock's hand:



These rocker switches were still in place in “Turnabout Intruder:”



Something that did change was the addition of a single column of five white pushbuttons, just to the right of the hooded viewer below the blue intercom.  The column of pushbuttons was not present in “Charlie X” but was added to the bridge set during the next episode “Balance of Terror.”  Here’s a shot of this new column of white pushbuttons.



Folks may remember that as Mister Spock hoisted himself up off the floor after doing some work under the access panel of his station, he inadvertently placed his hand on the bottommost button of this column, giving the Enterprise’s position away to the Romulans.  It was because of this very scene that the buttons needed to be added to the station very close to the station’s edge--so that Spock could accidentally activate the switch according to the script’s needs.

All that being said, the old Mike McMaster bridge blueprints—reverse engineered by microscopic study of 16 mm filmclips before the era of VCRs much less DVDs—are right on the money.  They accurately show the buttons on the Sciences/Library Computer station as they existed at the end of the Third Season.



I think what Al says is true: the bridge panels are not entirely accurate from how the bridge was last seen in “Turnabout Intruder,” claims of using the original blueprints and meticulous evaluation of screen shots notwithstanding.  The sets aren’t perfect and we can always improve.   

Here’s a shot from “World Enough and Time” that exhibits the exact deficiencies Al indicates: the column of five white pushbuttons next to the hooded viewer is not present, the two rows of rocker switches just to the left of the centerline of the station (below the “speaker”) are not present and the row of rocker switches to the right of the centerline of the station is not present.     



As Al indicated, we’re working on rebuilding the bridge from scratch.  No doubt such omissions will be corrected when the set upgrade is complete.         
   
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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2008, 05:43:34 pm »
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As Al indicated, we’re working on rebuilding the bridge from scratch.  No doubt such omissions will be corrected when the set upgrade is complete.         
   
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Not only from scratch, but as I recall, from the Desilu blueprints. Most notably, they
show more leg room under the consoles.

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2008, 06:48:46 pm »
WHO let Greg in here again?   :geyes: :eek:

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2008, 07:25:08 pm »
Actually,

  The bridge is being completely rebuilt, primarily to make it more suitable for Phase II improvements such as the LCDs and some other "nice" changes being planned. The nacelles have been upgraded and the new engine room will be built soon as well. Thus, NO MATTER what the changes were in the TOS series, there will continue to be differences as the Phase II upgrades occur.

   I doubt all the minutiae being discussed will suddenly appear with the new bridge; the new bridge will represent changes that are intermediate to the TMP era from the TOS era. It is only logical that as the ship is upgraded physically, that the controls in both engineering and on the bridge will change as well.

   The new bridge will be complete prior to the next new episode to be filmed.

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2008, 11:09:04 pm »
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 The nacelles have been upgraded and the new engine room will be built soon
as well.
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Way cool!

Where?
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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 04:28:20 am »


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Way cool!

Where?
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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 04:30:48 am »
I DO have a serious question, however; where could I find a good set of blueprints for the movie bridge, preferably from STVI:TUC?  I'd really appreciate it if someone could point me to that information.

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 11:15:20 am »
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 The nacelles have been upgraded and the new engine room will be built soon
as well.
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Way cool!

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Re: For Jonathan Zungre and all other Bridge Crew
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2008, 11:54:53 am »
Jonathan asked me for a set of these at the "Enemy Starfleet" shoot.

This is a link to get a set of the Michael McMaster Bridge Blueprints which also include Michaels idea of Button by Button instructions for all the stations.

While not canon, these could be useful for actors portraying bridge crew to have their operations of their stations be more consistent from show to show.

This should also be useful to Jeff Mailhotte for button placement when setting up bridge stations.

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http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/index-bp.html

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