Cannonising the USS Kelvin

[Chroniton]

The Kelvin is one of the very few things in Star Trek 11 that would appear to fit into the cannon of the orginal and main timeline.

It's cannon name is Avery Class. (After Avery Brooks of DS9, and having the secondary hull above the saucer makes to the top half look like a bird feeding tray, well I think it does!). (I know my ship pictures at the bottom are very basic but, they are very strictly based on the Kelvin schemetics seen on the Intel site. I'm still looking for someone to make them EXACT in 3d).

Avery Class Concept by Richard Martin.
TOS version by Richard Martin
TMP refit by Cyrano Jones III and Axeman.

The Saladin fanfilm/TOS version  in his posts in this thread is his own version of a later parallel development of Kelvin/Saladin Conversion by Kenneth Thomson Jr. also based on the Frank Joesph designs.

Technical Manual: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/AveryClasechnicalmanualfrontcover.jpg



AVERY CLASS TOS and TMP Refits
(CONJECTURAL CLASS AND NAMES)
(NOTE: SOME NAMES ARE FROM JACKILL'S SHIPS OF THE FLEET VOLUME1, MOVED FROM THE 500'S DOWN, and FASA).
 
Ships with no text after it have either been placed in scapyards or given to Federation civilian organizations.

NCC 450 AVERY       Missing in action.
NCC 451 MARTIN     Retired and in private hands.
NCC 452 KENT
NCC 453 LITTORIO
NCC 454 TRENT
NCC 455 TICONDEROGA    Lost in the line of duty.
NCC 456 GUANNADA
NCC 457 ALLEYNE            Destroyed in Klingon border skirmish.
NCC 458 DIEKMAN
NCC 459 STRONG             Destroyed in Klingon border skirmish. 
NCC 460 WILKES
NCC 461 HARLEY
NCC 462 BROOKINGS         Lost in the line of duty.
NCC 463 QUIGLEY
NCC 464 JOYNER
NCC 465 THOMASON         Destroyed reasons unknown.
NCC 466 MCWHIRTER        Destroyed in Klingon Border skirmish.
NCC 467 LINCOLN             Retired and in private hands.
NCC 468 HAGGERTY          Retired and in private hands.
NCC 469 PACKARD            Retired and in private hands.
NCC 470 NIXON               Missing in action.
NCC 471 CLAXTON
NCC 472 BISMARK
NCC 473 RANCOR
NCC 474 LEYAND              Refit
NCC 475 MURREL              Refit
NCC 476 DANLEY              Missing in action.
NCC 477 EARL                  Missing in action.
NCC 478 TREHLOW            Refit
NCC 479 LEBLANC             Refit
NCC 480 WAYLANDER        Refit
NCC 481 LEANING TOWER   Lost in the line of duty.
NCC 482 BAVARIA             Refit
NCC 483 LEGENTIUM         Refit
NCC 484 TURNER              Refit
NCC 485 FITZGERALD        Missing in action.
NCC 486 COLEBAUGH        Refit
NCC 487 ROBBINER           Refit
NCC 488 BOUDICCA          Refit
NCC 489 MOORE              Refit
NCC 490 CASTLEFORD      Refit
NCC 491 NASPYPANY       Refit
NCC 492 NEAL                Refit
NCC 493 T'LORRA            Refit Missing in action.
NCC 494 EARHEART         Refit
NCC 495 BETRAS            Refit
NCC 496 CANNON           Refit Museumed.
NCC 497 SUDRIAN          Refit
NCC 498 CAWLEY           Refit
NCC 499 AUSTRALIA       Refit
NCC 514 KELVIN             New TMP Ship.

Class History
(Not finalised)
 The classes development before the TOS era and the Constitution class, in 2237 approximately, (the Cage was 2254 but the technology would not have advanced too much in design in the time period) as the frontline destroyer and border patrol vessel. Then as the Constitution class was being developed it was reduced to border patrol, internal affairs and was used as a testbed class for the TOS technology we all now and love. In the TMP era the ships still in Starfleet were refitted again with the added photon torpedo launchers above the deflector dish, and used as border patrollers still but also more offensively in packs when necessary, (as done back in the 2240's).
(Wolfpack logo under development).


Tehnical Development
One naccelle ships for destroyers had one big engineering problem and initially the problem was solved.  The standard warp coil was replaced with a dualitic coil.  This was essentially 2 sets of coils customized to fit into the one nacelle housing.
This was successful, however many felt that the power curve needed for this system was somewhat ungainly.  Lacked efficiency.  The problem then had been corrected to an extent by using one active coil and one "Dummy" coil in the housing.  The passive, or "Dummy" coil simply reversed the polarity of the active coil's warp field, and therefore "fooled" the warp field into acting as though there were 2 nacelles.  The made the power consumption rate of the early Averys and later Saladins much more satisfactory.

The new nacelle on the Avery class was slightly fatter than the ones found later on the constitutions and Mirandas.
Years later, another engineer, Dr Raj Khambatti came up with an improvement on the overall system.

A newer coil called the "Passive Reflective Coil" (PRC)  was developed.
The PRC (Also called the Dunsel coil) was housed not in the nacelle, but in the upper secondary hull of the ship.
What this did, was, the active nacelle began to form its warp field, the PRC reflected that watpfield back onto the active field, only at the same time reversing the polarity.Hence we now had a single nacelled ship one engine acting exactly as a ship with 2 equidistant polarized nacelles.

This revolutionized the design. Only by later years, Starfleet became interested in newer more advanced technologies for their ships rather than improibing upon older, proven designs.

Other advantages of the design:

1. Speed almost equal to the Constitution and Miranda class with the same long range capability due to spacr for a taller intermix chamber.

2. Could go much further on less deuterium.

3. The ship had more than ample power, meaning less chance of power spikes and surges.

4. Warpfields do not require recalibrating, since the Dunsel coil can only duplicate the original field and reverse polarity.

5. Sensor array now connected directly to the warp core by means of a power attenuation device.


Avery Class concept in the Prime timeline, (TOS)
By Richard Martin.

USS Avery NCC- 450 2237 (Post NCC launch ceremony)
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/USSSudrianNX450.jpg

The displays for TOS refitted three Avery Class ships, (including department patches except medical, (sorry)).

USS Avery NCC-450
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/USSAveryDisplay.jpg

USS Leaning Tower NCC-481
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/USSLeaningTowerDisplay.jpg

USS Sudrian NCC-491
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/USSSudrianDisplay.jpg


Avery Class TMP Era Refit
Here are a few renders done by Axeman 3D, and supplied by Cryano Jones 3. .M.S.D. developed by Cyrano Jones 3rd and Richard Martin.
Turbolift control created by Cyrano Jones 3.

MSD: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/lcarsBa.png
Turbolift control panel: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/turbolift1a.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p275/HuMaxx/My%20Star%20Trek%20Art/Earth_004-1.jpg
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p275/HuMaxx/My%20Star%20Trek%20Art/conref_ortho_stern.jpg

[Saladin_CO]

Hey Richard,

That's pretty cool.  I did a different take on it, making it part of the Saladin Class as a variant.







The main difference is the orientation of the secondary hull, but other than that, we did pretty much the same thing.

Nice!

Ken

[Chroniton]

Thankyou Saladin, your variant is quite nice, (maybe the inbetween prototype between Kelvin and Saladin/Hermes class?), i based mine interly on the side shot of the Kelvin I got from the Intel site.

It's a nice ship, the only kown officail Romulan War ship class, (the Deadalus class was produced after, but planned during). When I saw it on the Boldy Intel website I thought it looked like the Enterprise J from the 26th century.

I think it could be explained in universe as being retrofitted with a new specail naccelle and used as a warp feild/ coil experiment ship. The thick nacelle would containnot only the warp coils but observation points and corridors above and below them.

Could anyone help me with my version of the kelvin? As you can see in the canon links below I don't have photshop and very little skill in the way of creating coloured ships and logos. I would be very grateful. 

More of my Kelvin art (not all that good):

Movie:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/KelvinWallpaper.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/KelvinWallpaper1.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/Wallpaper1.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z2/PeelGodred/Star%20Trek/DharmaClassDevelopmentlogoUSSKelvin.jpg

[Gemini1999]

Ken -

That looks really great.  It looks way better than the film version.

Note to the OP:  I know it's considered rude to correct people, but there's two ways to spell "canon" and two meanings as well.  The spelling "c-a-n-o-n" is correct, but "c-a-n-n-o-n" is not.  A cannon is a weapon, where as canon means the works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic.

We wouldn't want people to think that Trek fans a illiterate, now would we?

Just for future reference.

Bryan

[Saladin_CO]

I based this off the Kelvin from the new films, converting it to a Destroyer variant from the Starfleet Technical Manual but adding the extra secondary hull to match Kelvin's configuration in the movie, even though the design is TOS style.

I figured it this way.  If Kelvin's destruction altered the timeline, then in the original series, it wasn't destroyed.  Therefore, it would have been upgraded or replaced with a newer design that filled the same Destroyer role.  I picked Destroyer, rather than Scout, because of the array of weaponry it had, as well as the number on the hull, NCC-0514, which in the SFTM corresponds to a Destroyer, Rahman NCC-514.  Since what is onscreen has to override what is on paper, I bumped Rahman to NCC-574, which was unused in the SFTM, but close to the numbers of the other ships of the class.

SPOILER:  The Kelvin is a one-off and a tie-in to the new film, but in the original timeline, and it will be in an episode of Saladin.

By the way, the Starfleet Technical Manual can still be found at www.amazon.com



http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Starfleet-Technical-Manual/dp/0345495861/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229549992&sr=8-1

[Chroniton]

What do you think of my art though?

[Saladin_CO]

What do you think of my art though?

I like it. 

Though NCC-500 has been the USS SALADIN since 1975.

[CaptainLordBat]

Sorry kids to me it still looks like two sticks stuck to a pancake...

[Saladin_CO]

Sorry kids to me it still looks like two sticks stuck to a pancake...

         

[Chroniton]

Sorry Saladin I'll change it so the Avry Class starts at 510

[Saladin_CO]

Sorry Saladin I'll change it so the Avry Class starts at 510

You might want to take a look at the SFTM registry.  NCC-510 is Tamerlane and there is a site for it already set up. 




I'll pm you a list of NCC numbers for that class.  When I added Kelvin into that list, I bumped one ship up, and that was U.S.S. RAHMAN which had NCC-514 as the registry.  I moved it to NCC-574, but I don't think moving the whole set up would be a good idea.

How about making Kelvin's original class ship to be Avery, but when it got upgraded, it was an Avery variant of the Saladin Class?  Something along those lines?

The cygnus site has the blueprints of Saladin online, and sheet one has a list of the first series of ships.  It is not the complete list, so I will pm you the remaining ships.

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/uss-saladin-destroyer-scout.php

Ken

[Chroniton]

Okay.

[Saladin_CO]

Richard,

Recommendation....  I put this list together for you yesterday and sent in a PM, but I don't know if you got it.  The ships in the Avery Class are all names I pulled from the Jackill's guide (change as you wish), but the ones in Saladin and Hermes are part of the Starfleet Technical Manual and are consistent over many other sources.  The ones listed under the Nelson class are also ones I put in there, but the ones marked FASA are actual ship names identified in the FASA list.  The only conjecture on the Nelson class I made was the numbers, but since Nelson was an actual destroyer name in the SFTM, I simply upgraded/retrofitted it to be the Nelson from the FASA designs and added a few of them in between Saladin and Hermes.  It's not perfect, but it allows for a few of that other class to be in the same range of numbers, which makes some good sense, especially since FASA didn't have a registry for that design.

You can do what you like, but Tamerlane is already in use, NCC-510.  There were no ships in the latter 400's that I could find listed anywhere, so they are ideal for using for Kelvin/Avery class.  Ships of the Avery class, in theory, could have been upgraded to Saladin class, and some could have kept that secondary hull like Kelvin did.  There is no reason to start overwriting the Saladin ships because of one ship.

Anyhow, I hope you can use this.  It will make for less contradictions in an already very contradictory world.  Just my two cents.  I will be using it.

Ken


NOTES ON NCC REGISTRY:

1) ONSCREEN TAKES FIRST PRECEDENCE, CANON SHIPS MARKED WITH ^ SYMBOL.
2) STARFLEET TECHNICAL MANUAL (FOLLOWS TOS, ADDED CONSTELLATION CLASS TO CORRECT STAR TREK 11 CONTINUITY AND NCC CONFLICTS WITH ST REMASTERED/GREG JEIN LIST)
3) SHIPS OF THE STARFLEET (FOLLOWS SFTM, DOES NOT CONFLICT)
4) JACKILL'S GUIDES (WHERE THEY CONFLICT, I MOVE THE SHIPS TO FILL GAPS, SEE NOTES)
5) STARFLEET BATTLES REGISTRY (WHERE THEY CONFLICT WITH FASA, I LET CLASS SHIPS SUPERCEDE SHIPS OF CLASS OF EITHER SOURCE)
6) FASA (MOST SHIPS WERE NOT NUMBERED, BUT WHERE THEY ARE, AND DO NOT CONFLICT, I USE NUMBERS PROVIDED)
7) FAN FILMS (ONSCREEN SUPERCEDES ON PAPER, BUT IF THE CONFLICT IS SEVERE, JUDGEMENT CALL, OR ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, marked with !)
 PERSONAL CONJECTURAL NAMES

NX-01 ENTERPRISE ^
NX-02 COLUMBIA ^

INTREPID CLASS:
NV-01 INTREPID ^
NCC-01-62 INTREPID CLASS (NAMES UNKNOWN)
NCC-63 COCHRANE (fan fiction forum rpg, www.usstamerlane.com)

NCC-64- NCC-449 (NEED TO RESEARCH OTHER SOURCES)

AVERY CLASS UPGRADED VARIANT
(CONJECTURAL CLASS AND NAMES)
(NOTE: SOME NAMES ARE FROM JACKILL'S SHIPS OF THE FLEET VOLUME1, MOVED FROM THE 500'S DOWN)

NCC-450 AVERY * CLASS SHIP
NCC-451 MARTIN
NCC-452 KENT
NCC-453 LITTORIO
NCC-454 TRENT
NCC-455 TICONDEROGA ** LOST IN THE LINE OF DUTY
NCC-456 GUANNADA
NCC-457 ALLEYNE
NCC-458 DIEKMAN
NCC-459 STRONG
NCC-460 WILKES
NCC-461 HARLEY
NCC-462 BROOKINGS
NCC-463 QUIGLEY
NCC-464 JOYNER
NCC-465 THOMASON
NCC-566 MCWHIRTER
NCC-467 MANLY
NCC-468 HAGGERTY
NCC-469 PACKARD
NCC-470 NIXON
NCC-471 CLAXTON
NCC-472 HUMES
NCC-473 RANCOR
NCC-474 TIPPS
NCC-475 MURREL
NCC-476 DANLEY
NCC-477 REEVES
NCC-478 TREHLOW
NCC-479 LEBLANC
NCC-480 WAYLANDER
NCC-481 LEANING TOWER (Reserved for Captain Alex) !
NCC-482 RUSAK
NCC-483 ESCH
NCC-484 NIETO
NCC-485 FITZGERALD
NCC-486 COLEBAUGH
NCC-487 ROBBINER
NCC-488 MORRISON
NCC-489 LANE
NCC-490 ORR
NCC-491 ARAGORN
NCC-492 NEAL
NCC-493 SAURON
NCC-494 GONDOR
NCC-495 AQUILONIA
NCC-496 CONAN
NCC-497 SUDRIAN  (Reserved for Chronitron) !
NCC-498 CAWLEY
NCC-499 GANDALF 

UPGRADED TO SALADIN CLASS (STARFLEET TECHNICAL MANUAL)

NCC-500 SALADIN * CLASS SHIP !^ (Reserved for use in Starship Saladin, see www.starshipsaladin.com) !



NCC-501 JENGHIZ
NCC-502 DARIUS
NCC-503 ALARIC
NCC-504 SARGON
NCC-505 XERXES
NCC-506 POMPEY
NCC-507 KUBLAI
NCC-508 SULEIMAN
NCC-509 ETZEL
NCC-510 TAMERLANE  ! (Adventures of the Tamerlane can be found at www.usstamerlane.com)



NCC-511 ALEXANDER
NCC-512 HANNIBAL
NCC-513 AHRIMAN
NCC-514 KELVIN (AVERY CLASS VARIANT) (SUPERCEDED BY STAR TREK 11) ^
NCC-515 ADAD
NCC-516 HASHISHIYUN
NCC-517 AZRAEL



NCC-518 HAMILCAR
NCC-519 SHAITAN
NCC-520 SIVA * CLASS SHIP
NCC-521 LUCIFER
NCC-522 MOLOCK
NCC-523 HATHOR
NCC-524 ARES
NCC-525 MARS
NCC-526 TYR
NCC-527 JUGURTHA
NCC-528 IBLIS
NCC-529 LOKI

UPGRADED TO COCHISE CLASS (STARFLEET TECHNICAL MANUAL)

NCC-530 COCHISE * CLASS SHIP
NCC-531 ALVA
NCC-532 PONTIAC
NCC-533 NEY
NCC-534 EL CID
NCC-535 GERONIMO
NCC-536 CORTEZ
NCC-537 ALVARADO
NCC-538 DE RUYTER
NCC-539 HEKTOR
NCC-540 LYSANDER
NCC-541 DRAKE
NCC-542 APPOLLYON
NCC-543 SAMSON
NCC-544 PERSEUS
NCC-545 AL MAHDI
NCC-546 NELSON * CLASS SHIP (MODIFIED DESIGN, FIRST OF CLASS)
NCC-547 AJAX
NCC-548 AKBAR
NCC-549 ABU BEKR
NCC-550 IVAN
NCC-551 ACHILLES
NCC-552 THESEUS
NCC-553 SCIPIO
NCC-554 MARTEL
NCC-555 CIMON

NELSON CLASS FAST SCOUT (FASA SHIPYARDS) (NOTE: THIS FILLS GAPS IN THE NCC SET BETWEEN SALADIN AND HERMES. I MOVED THE

JACKILL'S DOWN BECAUSE OF OVERLAP WITH HERMES CLASS, AND TO FILL IN THE AVERY CLASS) (SOME NAMES ARE ORIGINALS I CREATED,

SOME ARE HEROES FROM ENTERPRISE ERA, SOME ARE NODS TO FELLOW FAN FILM PRODUCERS AND WRITERS, SOME ARE NODS TO BATTLESTAR TOS

ACTORS)

NCC-556 KHAN
NCC-557 BENEDICT
NCC-558 GANNET (The last of the Kelvin Variants built, new build, was never Avery Class, slightly modified) (Reserved for G-Man at his request)
NCC-559 PROBERT
NCC-560 TRIMBLE
NCC-561 MERLIN
NCC-562 STERNBACH
NCC-563 GUINNIVERE
NCC-564 MAYWEATHER
NCC-565 QUINN
NCC-566 ARCHER
NCC-567 SATO
NCC-568 WINDOM
NCC-569 ARANSTAR (Reserved for use in Starship Saladin) !



NCC-570 SAGER (SHIP FROM FASA GUIDE)
NCC-571 JOHNSON
NCC-572 SARUMAN
NCC-573 MOISANEN (SHIP FROM FASA GUIDE)
NCC-574 RAHMAN (redesignated from 514, SFTM)
NCC-575 HATCH (Reserved for use in Starship Saladin) !
NCC-576 GREENE
NCC-577 TUCKER (SOURCE JACKILL'S VOL 1)
NCC-578 MEREDITH (Reserved for use in Starship Saladin) !
NCC-579 KNIGHTSHADE
NCC-580 STYLES
NCC-581 KELLEY
NCC-582 DREXLER
NCC-583 BROUGHTON
NCC-584 MANZER (SHIP FROM FASA GUIDE)

HERMES CLASS SCOUT (STARFLEET TECHNICAL MANUAL)

NCC-585 HERMES * CLASS SHIP
NCC-586 ANUBIS
NCC-587 FRANZ JOSEPH
NCC-588 AEOLUS (James T. Kirk once served as second officer of this ship according to the novel "Enemy Unseen" written by V.E. Mitchell.)
NCC-589 DIANA
NCC-590 QUINTILLUS ** DESTROYED IN THE LINE OF DUTY in "The Captaincy" !
NCC-591 BRIDGER
NCC-592 CARSON
NCC-593 BATIDOR
NCC-594 CODY
NCC-595 REVERE ^
NCC-596 SPAKER
NCC-597 BOWIE
NCC-598 SACAJAWEA
NCC-599 TONTI
NCC-600 CROCKETT
NCC-601 MONOCEROS * CLASS SHIP
NCC-602 ARIES
NCC-603 EQUULUS
NCC-604 LUPUS
NCC-605 TAURUS
NCC-606 CAMELOPARDUS
NCC-607 LEO
NCC-608 LYNX
NCC-609 URSA MAJOR
NCC-610 LEPUS
NCC-611 CANIS MAJOR
NCC-612 PEGASUS
NCC-613 VULPECULA
NCC-614 LEO MINOR
NCC-615 CANIS MINOR
NCC-616 URSA MINOR
NCC-617 CYGNUS * CLASS SHIP
NCC-618 APUS
NCC-619 TUCANA
NCC-620 CORVUS
NCC-621 COLUMBIA ^
NCC-622 PAVO
NCC-623 AQUILA
NCC-624 GRUS
NCC-625 PHOENIX


UPDATE:

NCC-630 OBERTH (built as NX-602, designation changed with cancellation of Hermes Class retirement.)



NCC-631 * Proposed
NCC-632 * Proposed
NCC-633 * Proposed
NCC-634 * Proposed
NCC-635 * Proposed
NCC-636 * Proposed
NCC-637 * Proposed
NCC-638 Grissom (First ship of class built)



SEE http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sd-oberth.php FOR OBERTH CLASS SHIP PLANS

[Mike-NH]

Okay, I'll geek out for a few minutes and throw my 2 cents in - from what I read on the Intel site, the nacelle "houses the engine" - that could be interpreted to mean not just the coils, but everything - the reactor and all. given its proportions, that certainly seems possible.  It looks like it's at least 5 or six decks wide/high, as thick as the saucer section!

[Saladin_CO]

Okay, I'll geek out for a few minutes and throw my 2 cents in - from what I read on the Intel site, the nacelle "houses the engine" - that could be interpreted to mean not just the coils, but everything - the reactor and all. given its proportions, that certainly seems possible.  It looks like it's at least 5 or six decks wide/high, as thick as the saucer section!

The nacelles are, and always have been, the engines.  I don't know what they're talking about.  Warp cores aren't the engines, it's more like the fuel injector.  Anyhow, Kelvin, whatever official class it is, is pre-TOS Constitution class tech, even if the timeline had not changed, so it follows logically that the engines that came after are more efficient than the one Kelvin used.

The whole idea of upgrading ships from this class has some merit in that we saw in the other Star Trek films, ships of the Saladin/Hermes designs on screen, heard mention of them, including their hull numbers which confirmed at least the USS Revere and USS Columbia.  The hull number of Kelvin was originally held by the USS Rahman, and perhaps the Kelvin would still have been destroyed in the TOS timeline but not at the same stardate, and therefore the Rahman would have been built as a replacement.  All pure speculation to justify ship names that were invented in 1975.  I like things to work together, not to snuff each other out, and that's the whole point of my excercise to bring ship names and numbers into line so that we keep all the classes and keep things consistent and working together in harmony.

I like the Starfleet Technical Manual.  I based my ship, the Saladin, on the destroyer class from that book.  It's been seen onscreen, and it's a mainstay of classic Trek fandom for 33 years.  Franz Joseph's daughter was kind enough to give me permission and her blessing to use the ship.  I am doing everything I can to keep it canon and at least make a good case for keeping it canon.  And I'm also working in new canon into the original canon in such a way as to keep it logical, plausible, and interesting.

Basically, in my revised lore, when the Saladin was first constructed, it looked like a Kelvin.  It was upgraded and significantly changed and became the first ship of the new Saladin class.  The original Avery class, with nods to Chronitron (Richard) would have been upgraded as well, but retaining the secondary hulls as he designed them.  Kelvin as I built it, would simply be a variant of that design that I'll be using in my film.  But this is only suggestion.  I am using the ship, but if anyone else wants to, they can interpret in their own way, I do not own it.  I didn't flip my hull because as far as I'm concerned, it's simpler for Starfleet to pull a Constitution secondary hull and only have to alter the mounting, and they can be manufactured with only a tiny variation rather than a complete retooling, and it is more efficient.  There is nothing wrong with the other way though.  It just means a different manufacturing procedure.

I'm researching every fan produced effort as well as publications that were licensed by Paramount as well as game sources that I can.  There are so many contradictions that the best way to deal with it was to stay with the oldest laying first claim, unless it appears onscreen in a film that is official, making that supercede the printed page.  Everyone has their own theories.  Mine is that every ship designed by a fan has a right to be there, but we should try to find an unused number, if possible.  But heck, everyone can interpret their own Trek.  I'm just another fan.

Even the new Copernicus in "Blood and Fire" replaces three different ships, depending on the source.  Yet as it appears onscreen and doens't contradict an official Paramount production, it takes the place of the printed ship names found in the previous sources in my NCC registries.

FASA really did a number, claiming HUGE amounts of NCC numbers, but since they did not list their ships, or the ship listings contradict several previously established hull numbers, they get second consideration, and in my book, have to bow to the SFTM which came first and was far more well thought out and explicit.  I still left them room for their designs and hull numbers/ship names that don't try to erase SFTM ships.  Their Larson class uses almost all the names from the Saladin class, as if they just lifted them right out of SFTM, so they get none of those.  They even took Saladin.  Negative.

Anyhow, I'm making a registry that will include ships of every class I can find.  Where numbers do not align, I'll go with the ship that is the class name as the only fan-canon ship, followed by what is used in a fan production.  If someone simply is unaware of a long established ship registry line, and I see a major alteration of a class, I'll make a suggestion, but that's all I can do.

I do not expect this to ever be a finished product.  TOS is far from dead and I am not in the business of telling people what to do.  I'm just trying to offer a service to assist others.

Ken