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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2011, 12:53:57 am »
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Like some here, I didnt dislike it, nor did I love it thru and thru, however what I do enjoy is seeing kids introduced to Trek as I was at a young age, its a different Trek nonetheless, but they are getting enjoyment and a love for it that may help shape their creative future as it did mine. As a fan also of Doctor Who, which some may know came back in 2005 and is going VERY strong right now, new generations of fans have formed and love the program. MOst of these new fans introduced to the new stuff go back and watch the Classic series to have more background on it all. This is the case I see with Lord of the Rings fandom in regards to the book purists vs the reinterpretation by Peter Jackson.
Im all for this new Trek going forward and attracting new fans as that is how it will move forward with a hope that most of them will look back at how it all began, where most of us posting here were however many moons ago.
Crikey, I recall going to Queensboro College and meeting William Shatner in the early 80's prior to a screening of Shore Leave, and seeing TOS Motion Picture with my Dad when it was in the theatres. It is my hope these young generations of fans get that same lifelong experience as we all have had.

Anyway, perhaps I went a bit askew of topic....

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Ok Good points.  The animated series was the last of the TOS that I viewed, and I must say that I watch those quite often in my free time.  I look upon Trek as a wonderful and positive entertainment.  And with that, we will always have hits and misses.  The new film had very wonderful moments but also very bad moments.  Alas, I'm just happy to see Nimoy reprise his character one last time and see new actors do a very good job playing the characters we all love.

Trek is entertainment and that's it!  I love it, but like comic books over time, it has to change to keep up with the times.  JJ & Company did a wonderful job with that task.  Bones was unbelievable!!  And Zoe did a wonderful job.  Also did Pine and Greene.

Ok well we can all talk about the bad, which is normal, but I'd rather look at the positive and look upon the future.  The new film is promising and the characters are well taken care of.  I can't wait to see the next film.
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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2012, 11:05:29 am »
I was going to rewatch this a while back but ended up leaving it for a couple of Months I found that the only thing I really liked about this Movie was a cast.

The story to this moive doesn't make any form of logical sense and has very weak foundations. They describe in the film that it is an alternate timeline that means that with a bit of technobabble and stepping through a magic door the entire thing can be undone.

Lets look at some basic errors here.

Nero went back in time to destroy starfleet because Spock failed to stop the Romulan sun from going supernova and it destroyed the planet killing his wife. I have a real problem with this Romulans an enemy of Starfleet and a naturally paranoid and suspicious race put their trust for survival into the hands of their enemy. So your telling me that not one Romulan thought "hang about meybe we should use those large Warbirds we got in orbit and evacuate just to be on the safe side". I mean they only had enough time to kit out a ship and fly from Vulcan to Romulus. So whats that about 3 weeks lets call it 10 days minimum and the Romulans just sat there and waited.

anyway that aside, the Sun goes bang Nero get angry and goes off on a 25 year bender. Why?
It was a natural disaster...You don't see the USA bombing Canada evertime California has an earthquake

Get this, the sun (according to Spock) is going to explode and destroy the galaxy. What???
How big do they think this star is? Take out the solar system yes, the galaxy? I don't think so.

Then there's Nero who escapes a Klingon prison gets to his ship after a 25 year slump and goes and the prowl again to punish Spock and the Starfleet. The Klingons have (from their point of view) a Super advanced spaceship in their possesion for 25 years and they didn't take it apart to see how it worked to futher their own war machine. Not only are the Romulans not behaving like themselves but clearly the Klingons aren't up for it either.

Kirk falls out of the Academy and instantly made first officer. Hold your horses there, surely theres a chain of command missing not to mention the fact that Kirk isn't even asigned to the Enterprise and then when things go pare shaped Spock kicks him off the ship. No-one on the Enterprise thinks that's a bit harsh "we got crew quarters we could restrict him too and there's a handy ships brig thats not being used". 

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2012, 12:32:38 pm »
Yes, it's completely ridiculous.  Pretty much the whole plot.  However, it's still a fun movie.  ;)

I think it was one of those things where they wanted to do a reboot but didn't want to tick off fans, so they decided to tie the movie into the "regular" Trek universe (and still ticked off fans.)  IMHO, they should have just done a regular reboot with a less manic plot that would have worked better.  They could have started off with Kirk and Spock being born (not time traveling Romulans with galaxy-sized chips on their shoulders.)  Then they could have shown a couple fun times with them as children and then gone to the Academy.  They could have spent some time there and maybe had a big crisis where a young Kirk and Spock wound up having to work together to solve the crisis and they got big shiny medals.  Then, as an epilogue, they could have skipped several years to 2265-66, where Kirk had been in the service for a while and had earned his stripes and had him taking command of the Enterprise.  IF they had done it correctly, it would have worked a lot better and been a lot less ridiculous.

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2012, 12:48:25 pm »

IF they had done it correctly, it would have worked a lot better and been a lot less ridiculous.


The very idea of promoting a Star Fleet cadet to the rank of Captain ... and giving him command of his own starship ... made me shake my head, saying to myself, "Only in Hollywood."

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2012, 06:44:33 am »
I can't even bring myself to watch that,  that....  "THING"  a second time.  JJA should never have been allowed near StarTrek.


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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2012, 09:51:07 am »
I just gloss over the plot problems when I watch it and have fun. Plot problems are for later, when you try to make it all fit into place in the universe of Trek.

When I saw it 1st time the "nova destroying the galaxy" hit me just too hard though. I thought "even if it becomes a massive gamma burster - in all directions - it would take 1000s of years...... so I just assumed Spock meant "destroy the galaxy through war due to all the displaced Romulans who escaped in time." A lot like the fears in "Undiscovered Country". Then I went back to enjoying the movie.
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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2012, 04:31:31 pm »
I saw this for the second time last night (the first being at the cinema when it came out).- It was actually seeing these Phase II episodes that got me in the mood for it.

I hated it the first time I saw it, but this time I was trying my best to maintain an open mind and not to examine the obvious problems too closely.

I found it better this time than before. It's just about OK, but I wouldn't say it was good. There were too many things that bothered me. Any one or two of these problems alone would have been fine, but together, there were just too many of them (most of which have already been discussed).

If I had to describe the film in one word, it would probably be "bland". It just sort of happened, like a slideshow of disconnected images; just when you find one you like it morphs into something else.

There was no emotion. Never once did it make me feel happy, sad, anxious, nostalgic or scared. It just about held my interest until about 20 mins before the end when I realised I was bored. Enough already I though, just finish it.

The other main failing was a complete lack of chemistry between the characters. Kirk and Spock are supposed to be best friends; as close as it is possible to be in a non-sexual way. Yet in this film they were literally at each other's throats. I can understand wanting to start off that way, but by about half way through they really should have been at least getting along.

I think most people would agree that the main charm of TOS was the three-way relationship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Any film with those characters in needed to incorporate that, but here it was completely absent. I understand that they don't know each other yet and so on, but that should have been one of the goals of the film; getting them to know each other so that by the end, they had established that iconic relationship.

There were some good scenes in it. I think my favourites were probably of young Spock. The young Kirk in contrast was just stupid, and in fact, all throughout it felt like someone was doing a parody of Kirk, like something from Galaxy Quest or something. I can't remember a single scene where he wasn't either flirting or fighting. Yes, we know Shatner's Kirk liked the ladies, but he at least confined himself to one a week, and I don't ever remember him refusing to take "no" for an answer.

The casting wasn't great either. Andy Bray, Charles Root and John Lim did a much better job playing Chekov, Scotty and Sulu (respectively) than any of the actors in the film (particularly Andy Bray).

I didn't like the music. If there was one thing I could do to make the film better, this is the area I would start in. There were many scenes that cried out for the famous Alexander Courage theme; even if it was just a hint of it. But the thing that most annoys me is that they did finally use it for the ending credits!! WTF?! If you had the rights to use it, and were going to do so anyway, then why on Earth not put it in the film?! - Not all the way through of course, but just a hint here and there when you first see the Enterprise for example would have gone a long way to improving the experience for me.

Overall then, I would say it wasn't a bad way to spend an evening. It didn't bore me like TMP does, but nor did I come away with any particular sense of satisfaction. It's like eating a chicken sandwich; it's not bad, but nor is it good. That's probably as positive as I can ever be about it, and I won't be watching it again anytime soon.

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2012, 05:23:58 pm »
For me if I had to pick the best thing in the film it was watching Karl Urban scene steall evey line they throw at him. I 've mentioned more than once how I didn't like the styling of the film all the sets were completey sapped of colour and when you think about star trek colour is very important. The sets looked bad and not practical or thought out and lets be fair here it was a multimillion dollar movie and how may of us sat there saw the Vulcan planet surface and "thats where they filmed the fight with the Gorn."

I agree the story should have had more focus on the Trio I htink maybe they were trying to be too clever with the script and tried to do too much and ended failing to cover the ground they should have been covering. I'm completely sick of directors trying to make the movie their own and put their stamp on it instead of trying to make the best film they can make. JJ Abrams is a Hoolywood golden boy who people don't seem to like saying no too and I'm left thinking that is heart really isn't in Star Trek and he'd be happier doing something else.

Let me put it another way if after the next movie the decision was made to re-boot the entire franchise from scratch as much as I hate re-boots this one I would have no trouble with.


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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2012, 12:06:44 am »
Lens Flare, don't like lens flaring.  Annoying, like the sun on the beach sand.

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2012, 08:53:55 am »
I must confess that I bought the DVD a few months ago... sorry.

I still like the special effects, but I still think that this movie does not fit in the Trek Universe (not even the alternate universe). Tranwarp beaming... Ok, this looks like a magic solution to me, but even though this would be possible (in real Trek I mean) it seems to me that between the moment Kirk was beamed to Delta Vega and Transwarp beamed back to the Enterprise, the ship would have arrived to her destination long ago... Unless time passes diferently when travelling in warp speed (wait a minute, it does).

Well, the good thing of buying the DVD is that I finally catched the two moments when James Cawley appears on screen (before that I had only catched one).


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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2012, 11:59:08 pm »

IF they had done it correctly, it would have worked a lot better and been a lot less ridiculous.


The very idea of promoting a Star Fleet cadet to the rank of Captain ... and giving him command of his own starship ... made me shake my head, saying to myself, "Only in Hollywood."

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That would be where my "if they did it correctly" remark came in.  ;)   But, Hollywood does crazy stuff like that.  It just gets more attention in Trek because Trekkies are a fickle bunch.  ;)

I must confess that I bought the DVD a few months ago... sorry.

I've had it since a few minutes past midnight on the day it was released.  ;)  (that was also the first time I ever saw it)

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Re: Finally watched Trek XI
« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2012, 02:30:26 am »

The very idea of promoting a Star Fleet cadet to the rank of Captain ... and giving him command of his own starship ... made me shake my head, saying to myself, "Only in Hollywood."

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I was thinking about this earlier while I was mowing the yard (good time for thinking. ;))  It's funny, people complain about that to no end.  Yet, I've never heard anybody mention the fact that Uhura graduates from the Academy with the rank of Lieutenant and (even worse) McCoy graduates with the rank of Lieutenant Commander.  I used to be in the Army and, trust me, we saw lots of officers right out of West Point and various other academies and they were all O1, the lowest officer rank (2nd Lieutenant, the equivalent of a Navy Ensign.)   Even people who are enlisted first and go to college and ROTC, OCS or an academy graduate at the lowest officer rank.  And, remember, neither Uhura or McCoy were supposed to have prior Starfleet experience.  So, there's no way either of them should have graduated from the Academy at  a higher rank than Ensign.  And yet, you don't hear people whine about that but they cry about Kirk's instant promotion to Captain.  :P

And, before anybody mentions Saavik being at the Academy as a Lieutenant in Star Trek 2, there's an easy explanation for that.  She was in Command School, that doesn't necessarily mean she's a fresh cadet.  She could have been in Starfleet for a while and had returned to the Academy to get her command qualification.  There's nothing in the movie's dialog to disprove that theory.

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